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Dustin Wood

I'm currently in the midst of writing a paper that argues among other things that two variables showing a .98 correlation should be regarded as measuring somewhat different things.

I think that correlational evidence for whether two things are the same is way, way, way overvalued. Perhaps we can consider it 'necessary but not sufficient'. If one state or action leads (that is: causes) to another state to result almost perfectly reliably, then the correlation could easily show a correlation of near 1 under normal circumstances. Case in point, pushing a gas pedal will result in a car accelerating in normal circumstances. Level of pedal-push could be correlated with level of car acceleration r > .99. But a car's rate of acceleration and level of pressure put on the gas pedal are not the same thing. They have a near perfect correlation in normal circumstances, but we can imagine some easy experiments that would sever that link.

It is to the field's detriment that researchers reflexively assume that two things correlated at a level of .80 or whatever are "the same thing". My sense is that it generally doesn't show enough appreciation for process.

Alex Gunz

Perhaps we have a false dichotomy on our hands here. Surely the options are not only "same" and "different", but also there can be "closely related". The eyelets on my shoes are separate physical entities, but they also move in near perfect synchrony with each other, right up until you start dismembering the shoe (or maybe, when it's untied, if you measure their movements on a scale of millimeters you can get them waggling separately). That's just on an empirical level. On a theoretical level you can parse them as separate entities, that are physically separated in space, or you can regard them as part of the larger superordinate entity "shoe", and then they're all one thing.

Which one you would use would depend entirely on your purposes. To someone trying to track my running, measuring one is equivalent to measuring any of the others (and the conclusion "laughably bad" is inevitable either way). To someone interested in shoe surgery, it makes sense to think of them as separate.

To take your original sample, if negative affectivity and neuroticism correlate highly (and they do), then for most people's practical purposes, it's probably most parsimonious to see them as "the same thing". But maybe you have a context where it matters to make the distinction, and you can show that in this context they really do something different. In that case, power to you... but even you would probably go on treating them as the same in most other contexts*.

* I know nothing of your data, maybe you blow this reasoning apart. Could be.

Martha Smith

The examples in the website Spurious Correlations (http://www.tylervigen.com/) provide evidence supporting Dustin's assertion that "correlational evidence for whether two things are the same is way, way, way overvalued."

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